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« on: June 20, 2013, 08:36:08 pm »

Decided to make a thread for the other car here too. It's an SH in everything but drivetrain: there's an M2S4 driving that H22.



Mostly stock except for a few things, particularly white interior accents and EDM ashtrays.

Coming soon (God willing): H23 VTEC swap and lots of body work!

Coming later: More body work, repaint, WWRS lip kit, and minor engine and suspension upgrades.
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1991 Si ALB - parts car
1995 Si - wrecked and sold
1993 S - DD
1997 Type SH - traded
2001 base - project
1991 Si - sold
1991 Si ALB - garage queen
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 05:50:56 am »

sounds like a good plan.  can't wait to see this car shine like it should!
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 08:11:54 pm »

The Wings West Racing Series sides and lip I picked up at the junkyard this week. Restoration progress of these will only be documented here.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2013, 08:11:24 pm »

I think I'm going to follow josh's idea and only really track progress here, since that way "the scene" won't really know about it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2014, 06:02:33 pm »

I think I'm going to follow josh's idea and only really track progress here, since that way "the scene" won't really know about it.

Just saw this lol


The list for the road to an h23 vtec swap;

clutch
clutch release bearing
master cylinder
master cylinder gasket
slave cylinder
brake fluid
motor mounts (if you need them)
timing belt/balance belt
water pump
heater core hoses and clamps
radiator hoses and clamps
oil
oil filter
transmission fluid
rear main seal
balance shaft seals
cam seals
cam plug seal
oil cooler o-ring
front crank seal (must have tool or object to drive this seal in)
RTV
valve cover gasket set
sparkplugs
rosko intake manifold gasket with egr drilled out (makes life easy)
egr port plugs
egr valve gasket
timing tensioner (unless using h23 manual)
p/s belt
a/c belt
grease
50/50 coolant
clutch damper bypass line is also very helpful to have - if you have the extra funds for it (aka rywire line)


Parts to swap between H22a4 and H23 vtec;

upper and lower timing covers
drivers side motor mount bracket
knock sensor (may need to replace)
oil pump
crank position sensor
crank gear
balance shaft gears
distributor
fuel rail
injectors
harness
ac bracket - and pump
p/s bracket - and pump
intake manifold
cam gears, thermostat housing, and water pipe (i think but can't remember 100%)


The knock sensor is prone to breaking during swaps/removal - keep that in mind.

New Honda oil pumps come assembled with all seals (or at least mine did) if you were to buy new (expensive sucker)

Tools;

axle pry bars (the actual ones) work wonders vs a prybar and hammer method

something to drive in the new front main seal - it needs to fit around the crank

17mm
14mm
12mm
10mm
^^ 1/4" sockets and wrenches

At least (1) LONG extension
(1) medium extension
(1) swivel

socket wrenches, at least 1 short and 1 long

phillips and allen screwdrivers

channel locks

grinder/dremel to notch transmission brace

1/2" breaker bars and extensions (at least 2)

19mm 1/2" socket for crank bolt

crank pulley tool

tq specs for everything - as well as tq wrenches

(2) drain pains.  one for oil, one for coolant (always handy to have 2)

(2) GOOD jackstands

slide hammer for EGR ports
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2014, 11:10:40 pm »

This SH is going to be in my driveway soon.  loco

Yep, I traded my black n tan 91 Si for it. And to sweeten the deal I donated the red 91 to the 01 project.
So the thinking is sell the red car, and a chunk of the 91 parts hoard to add funds to the 01 project.

So all those mods to the 97 won't happen. Instead the idea is to continue to fix what's broken with the SH, drive it, enjoy it. Somewhere along the way we'll add a wee bit of pizazz. The mods like motor swap will go to the 01 base car.

This car was beat on hard before we obtained it. I hope to preserve it basically as is with some repairs along the way. But full on restore is not practical anymore.
Too many other projects... better cars with lots more potential.

This one will probably become flat/satin black with bondo dent covering someday. Then tinted windows, smoked lenses (especially the headlights) and a #28 or Davey Allison sticker in the rear window. Stealth bomber look with a twist.
For now the factory paint has a lot of shine left underneath of the crud. So when weather permits a full on spa treatment will take place and all those dents will get new band aids.

My minds eye pictures this car as a wounded warrior from days gone by. A warrior who was seasoned in battle, has a few teeth missing, a limp and gray thinning hair. But a warrior who can still kick @$s and take names when called to action.
Now the urge to add dentures, color the gray hair or add implants is not necessary in order for Unit 6095 to do battle again. But we'll see what we can do about the limp.
A/C is on a wishlist along with accord top gear.

The black n tan restore will continue, under new management...  that's another story.

Edit: list noted. Thanks Josh. Much we already have.
What do you consider 'good' jackstands? Is it about the durability or the platform the car rests on?
I don't like the ones we have but don't know what to look for in 'better' ones.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2014, 07:08:36 am »

 Cool Thanks to whomever changed the title from Elspectro to bykfixer.

Won't be a lot of WOW in this project. Just before/after pix mainly.

But if there are innovations and/or inventions, they will certainly be posted.


^^ most important mod I can make to this wounded warrior.

Freedom isn't Free.
We inherited freedom and these days we have to fight for it.


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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2014, 09:05:20 am »

I use craftsman jackstands from Sears.  Rated for some 3k lbs + or something.. on sale I paid around $100 something for all 4? 

Just need to make sure the car is on a flat surface and the stands are center of the jack points.  Slipping is possible on any stand so safety first!

Been so long... my folder of receipts is overflowing and it doesn't contain my online purchases....
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2014, 09:16:27 am »

Thanks!!

I have flat. I have concrete. And I have back up cinder blocks with wood shims.

Soon I'll have Craftsman stands.

Yeah, my gallon size ziplock bag is stuffed (edit) with reciepts

If I bought online I'd owe my paycheck to Sears.  loco
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2014, 06:27:25 pm »

Despite a cloudy drizzly cold day today work began.

Yesterday an hour or so was spent evaluating the car and getting re-aquanted with it.
Anybody need a ride anywhere?

After driving some today I remembered there are Mugen pedals. Super grippy wet or dry. Once that was mentally established, technique was adapted.
The Mugens will go in Elspectro's 01.
Grip tape will replace them. Ogs suggested checkered.
Gonna happen asap.

Little brackets in the engine bay were re-attached, a bothersome chronic loose door gasket re-installed  and hood latch corrected,
Odd wires were traced to their source and will be removed soon. And I figured out that [email protected] rattle is a heat shield.

And I managed to get my [email protected]$s 49 year old body upside down in the cab to re-attach the climate control cables under the dash. Darkness set in before the temperature valve cable was re-attached.


Soon I'll get into why certain things don't work in the driver side door.

All the while plans are devloping as to what direction to take the project.



^^ 3g mats.
Found these ragged old things in the trunk of the parts barn.
As ugly as they are, there are no holes. For now they'll do. The oem ones have a hole developing.
I wanna preserve what's left of the oem until better comes along.


Edit: All climate control cables were unattached inside and outside. The one going through the fire wall is frozen.
Apparently a rust issue that's common to preludes due to Honda using steel in the housing.
Replacing the cable should allow the system to function properly.

Edit:
Once the system is corrected I'll add to the existing 'climate control repair'  thread if mods don't mind.
(Edit: That's in electrical. So it won't be easily found for those with frozen controls. A diy in interior perhaps. End edit)
I'll explain how to get your temperature where you want it until the cable is replaced as well.
Frozen cable is a 4th and 5th issue that's easily and inexpensively resolved. Don't know if the issue affects 3rds yet.


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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2014, 04:57:27 pm »


^^ hole perfect for a phillips.

I wonder if Honda engineers drilled some of the holes across the front clip knowing it takes two hands to finagle the expansion device into it's position and knowing my screwdriver would need a convenient holder whilest that happened. Then be readily available to my free hand while the other hand is busy holding the device in place until the plastic screw holds it in.

Replacing missing or broken items like this grill screw clip with the items I continued accumulating from junkyard scores while elspectro had the car.

Edit:
I adjusted the housing to the frozen climate control cable to where the heater hose valve is about 75% open. When the cables are all re-attached this allows the system to put out plenty of warmness. Gets too hot, turn off fan, roll down windows or open sunroff weather permitting.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2014, 11:27:20 pm »

glad you have heat in your SH
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2014, 06:11:04 am »

And I'm glad to have an SH to have heat in sir.

Edit:
New cable on the way. And checkered grip tape for the pedals.
Bonus; found a hard copy of a service manual and electrical book local.
Local as in $20 in fuel to go get it or $8.95 s&h. Mail it please.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 01:23:21 pm »

Considering installing...


^^ This 98+ accord package.

Using...


^^ This adaptor.

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http://www.cd4car.com/adapter-harness-for-1989-1998-honda-accord-prelude-odyssey-civic-crv/
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 09:54:34 pm »

and to think I gave away that 98 head unit that I got for $11..............ugh!
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